right now we can't afford to have significant reduction that will impede the economy. i think we need to take a little bit more careful approach to those kinds of cuts if we're going to talk about 1 trillion-dollar over ten years. so i suspect that can will get kicked down the road, but the tax rates really should be dealt with right now. they're easy to deal with. the debt ceiling should really be, that's one of those other things we can create a crisis unnecessarily. this country is not going to basically deny it's debt. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: so anyway, i think we can do it. i think saner heads might prevail. i just left a meeting with gene sperling. he said the president is not going to amend the tax cuts. if he is, the republicans better get on board. >> stephanie: i took heart in that. the president is not being fooled so far. he is not saying that we're we're going to close a loophole, and it's not going to produce the revenue that is necessary right. >> caller: exactly right. if you deal with deductions no matter what you do you can't get to any signif